NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!
Classy.
Are you kidding me? What were these people "protesting"? He's been indicted. He and his cronies are criminals. Ask the House Ethics Committee.
Like Newt, soon he'll be but a bad memory (although the legacy of his helping GW get into the White House will likely resonate for years as severely botched up foreign relations).
Republicans better watch it. Once again, their boundless arrogance and hypocrisy are starting to alienate the people.
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Newt and DeLay are very different animals.
DeLay was always a back-room politician. He had no ideas and he is not going to be remembered for ideas. I have no idea whether he is guilty or not (although the Texas case seems to fall apart quite often), but I don't miss the guy because I never liked him.
Gingrich is not likely to be forgotten because he engineered the takeover of Congress by the Republicans with his Contract for America. You may not agree with it, but it certainly worked.
BTW, by "worked" I only mean that it was a successfu electoral strategy.
Chrispy -
Aren't you jumping the gun a little by saying, "He's been indicted. These guys are criminals"?
I don't think an indictment is the same as being guilty of a crime.
Dave,
I agree with most of what you're saying. To me, the similarity is that the Republicans are ready to wash their hands of DeLay - who played a big role in Bush's election - as they did with Newt.
Good friend Abramoff is a criminal (he's doing 6 years). DeLay's fomer aide Michael Scanlon has plead guilty to corruption charges. His former Chief of Staff Tony Rudy has also plead guilty to corruption charges.
DeLay is innocent until proven guilty. As you know, he's been indicted only (unless you're talking about the Grand Jury you got to serve on, where handig down an indictment was "winning"!). He's been charged. His friends, employees, and advisors are criminals. The list of shady things this guy has done - and don't forget, he was the House Majority Leader, the guy at the front of the GOP reps - is amazing.
I may be jumping the gun, but my guess is... he's a criminal.
Do you think he isn't?
Frankly I find it hypocritical to be slamming GOP and Delay supporters for crashing this event since this tactic has pretty much been par for the course for liberals for a long time. Even going so far as to make disparaging comments about the President during a funeral for a civil rights icon.
Delay's a wanker. We'll see what happens there, but it sounds like what your upset about is that some people are unhappy at politicians and are exercizing their right to free speach.
Consider taking the tact I do with shit like this. I just laugh. You have to find it funny that someone would get into a physical altercation over Tom Delay...
Also, I wouldn't be so quick to claim that Newt is nothing more than a bad memory. He seems to still be a pretty popular figure in these parts...
Oh no, here we go with the comments made at King's funeral.
Once again, MLK was ANTI WAR. HE STOOD UP IN PUBLIC, IN SACRED PLACES LIKE CHURCHES, AND MADE HIS VIEWS WELL KNOWN. He would not have supported the war in Iraq. He would not have supported George Bush. I bet he would have been happy that his wife's funeral would be an opportunity for someone to say what they think.
Face it, MLK would NOT have been on your side or believed in your politics. He would be diametrically opposed to just about everything you write about/comment on. He was a civil rights icon, and had you been his contemporary you would have likely denounced him as another liberal black man seeing racism everything he went.
Calling for an end to killing at a funeral is not the same as throwing a balled up sign in the face of a 69 year old woman.
It's not funny. He was the House Majority Leader, helped put the worst President of the 20th (and probably 21st) century in the White House (which has lead to an immoral and indefensible war) and surrounded himself with criminals.
There's a difference between free speach and being violent. DeLay is no stranger to violent talk. For you to defend these people is sad.
Not a surprise that Newt is popular in Georgia. Fortunately, it's Georgia.
You forget this one key fact, the President was invited to Coretta's funeral. If the president had not been there, would those comments have been made? No fucking way. It was political grandstanding and muck raking at a most inappropriate occasion. I don't see any difference in that poor behavior and what these idiots did at this event. Oh, and I beg to differ, I think had MLK survived his wife he certainly would have invited this president to Coretta's funeral. He had class, dignity, and respect even for those he did not agree with.
The humor I find is not taking lightly the ALLEDGED illegal actions of a Washington power broker, but the reaction (or overeaction) by lemmings on both sides. The complete loss of civility is a bipartisan problem. I laugh becasue I'm tired of getting angry.
>>He was a civil rights icon, and had you been his contemporary you would have likely denounced him as another liberal black man seeing racism everything he went.<<
I think this is a touch overcooked, Chris. I don't view him at all as somebody who saw
"racism everything he went" (sic). I doubt Tony does either. In fact, I think MLK would have been absolutely appalled at the way people like Cynthia McKinney and Al Sharpton use racism as a crutch for everything. If that's what MLK was for, I must have misunderstood all of his speeches and writings.
Overcooked is an understatement. Again Chris, I think this is a case of you not knowing me well enough. I think if you really knew my thoughts and feelings regarding the civil rights movement you’d know that if MLK and I were contemporaries I'd have been helping him sign up black voters and sitting at those counters with him. The only difference being I’d have probably pissed him off by losing my cool and kicking the shit out of some of those rednecks. As I’ve said before, I’m more in Malcolm’s camp there: When someone strikes you, you strike back.
Perhaps MLK and I wouldn't have agreed on the Iraqi war justification, but I'm sure of this: had we'd been colleagues and my family had invited him to my funeral, he'd have showed up, offered his condolences, and NOT taken the time to blather on about how my opinion of the war were wrong. I can’t believe you don’t find this sort of thing crass and tasteless.
I don't know... somehow I'm just not sure you guys would be as supportive as you say.
I'm not saying he saw racism everywhere he went. I'm saying that's how some of us view anyone who says race is still an issue. I've never seen either of you acknowledge someone's claims of being treated unequally in any of these posts or comments. It's possible I've missed it.
There are still about a million chances right now to do something about racism. Tony, if you would have been sitting right by MLK's side...
The comments made at Coretta Scott King's funeral were not about HER views on the war, by the way.
Crass and tasteless are in the eye of the beholder. Misleading the people, going to war under false pretenses, and killing a lot of people for the sake of political and monetary gain is crass and tasteless. I'd much rather have controversial comments at my funeral than send my son off to die to keep a rich fuck like GW Bush in the White House.
Chris -
I still think this is a little bit of a low blow. With all due respect, how do you conclude from my horror at the overuse of the race card by politcal opportunists like McKinney that I would have been unsupportive of King's message?
I think King would be truly appalled at the way the race debate has devolved in this country. If anything, his vision of a color-blind society has been trounced by the LEFT side of the spectrum. Over the last two decades, they have championed the idea that race is determinative - the crucial component of ones identity. Do you see critics on the right complaining that Condoleeza Rice is not "really" black?
Truly, I think he would go into depression if he saw the way the discussion has been perverted by the race politics of the left.
Dave, I don't agree about the left trouncing any notion of race equality. The democrats have many more 'minority' reps in congress, that's a fact jack.....
But let's get back to DeLay
"Frankly I find it hypocritical to be slamming GOP and Delay supporters for crashing this event since this tactic has pretty much been par for the course for liberals for a long time."
When and where Tony? I'd like to know when and where Democrats used voilence to disrupt a Republican gathering - sure they show up with signs and walk around and chant - but to get physical is a different, and telling notion.
It doesn't have to be a strictly GOP event. Easy answer to your question: G8 Summits, plural.
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